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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2009.05.20 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 20/05/2009 18:56:17
I TOO WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BRIDGE AND CLOAK ALL MY SHIPS.
No.
And you used wrong subforum too: features and new ideas discussion is one floor up.
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yeah i know what the OP is up too. Warp covert ops to enemy gang 200km away, open recon cyno, ditors jump in bubble fleet, DD, kkthxbye. Next time try to use some skill and WARP the dictor instead of hiding the "i want my DDs to come off easier" under the "new gameplay improvement". I know the idea of placing dictor with covops in same squad is too hard for some people but ffs, you really should use some player skill in this game instead of asking CCP for "new and improved ideas" for stuff that works.
Blackops warfare (recons, bombers, transports, BOps) is for prolonged stay behind enemy lines. Dictors arent needed for harassing ops neither you dont have to cyno em via blackops. They are too good already.
The ONLY change that could be applied to dictor is either reversing old 25% speed reduction (read: speed em up by 33%) or some sig reduction (into the 50-60ish sig area).
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2009.05.21 10:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Tweakalvos
Yeah what I meant seeing as how I know an Arazu and Proteus subbed right and fitted can do long range scramble. But putting them as a role oriented. If you have ever been on a recon op its kinda a pain in the arse when you have no dictor to bridge with the rest of the fleet. And you dont have time to put a mobile bubble up. Plus adding the speed movement would make it very viable in fleet fights as well. Sorry if I can't project my thoughts correctly. But DNS put what im talking about down. Good ole black ops guys those boys are!!
As it is now dictors have one overpowered role (interdiction) which is balanced a bit thanks to their low survivalability ratios and problems with approaching target. You can either MWD to it or wap on it using covops. In both cases there is COUNTER: when enemy sees warping dictor, they can warp out. When they see MWDing dictor they can shoot it down.
What you proposing is counter-less mechanic of delivering dictors right on enemy fleet. Opening recon cyno + bridging dictor (if it was possible) and launching bubble takes 4-5 seconds (lag dependant), can be done under your own cyno jammer (yay for defender?) whilst your DDs are already waiting. And has absolutely no counter. So where is the "balance" part in your idea? Maybe: dictor bubble dies as soon as dictor dies? Or make dictor probes session change dependant (no bubbs before sesion change ends)?
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2009.05.21 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
If you really have to boost (light) Interdictors, give them Interdiction Sphere Immunity. That would increase their survivability after launching the bubble with a window to pin it down before it warps off while keeping the deployment of the bubble at the same difficulty level as it is now.
No. Too good. Also you are entering the loop i called in before. Give ONE ship interdiction sphere immunity (t3 in this case) and suddenly ppl will want same thing on everything else.
You can move out of your own bubble without bigger problems as it is now: use overheat.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2009.05.21 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 21/05/2009 19:11:33
Originally by: DNSBLACK
4. To the guy from doom who thinks dictors are fine must not fly one for his fleets. No matter how you bring it in, Warping or MWD or AB you are going to die. I think the dictor needs to looked at again and given some speed love or a sig reductioin as all ready mentioned.
Im almost sure you dont fly dictors. If you actually check our killboard dictor class is one im most specced in having both most kills in and most losses. And i know what im talking about: learn to play and learn to overheat, then suddenly dictors are helluva more survivable.
And thx to this + having huge experience with em i can say that giving dictors any cloak bonuses/recon cyno ability/dictor sphere immunity will overpower em to the point its not even funny anymore.
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but when we are at "idiot ideas". Why not add em also DD immunity and double their speed? For balance, you know?
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2009.05.21 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: DNSBLACK
Deva,
Kill boards are a poor place to say weather a ship is effective or not. Honestly a light dictor will get tons of kill even tho he dies ( hint they call it a bubble and you get on every kill mail). if you are saying the K/D is equal take a minute and think about what a ratio like that means ( I will leave you to ponder that). Now asking for more speed or a sig reduction is not much. You being a dictor pilot would invite such a change. As for bringing them thru with black ops why not add some twist or could it be the fact that you are fighting a sov war right now that involves cyno jammers bother you more then the fact that the dictor is not as useful as it was in the past.
If you read up this topic (or other topics where i was commenting on dictors/dessys) you would know already that its exactly what im proposing. And thats enough for it. Reducing sig/increasing velocity (by 20-33%, to reverse old velocity nerf) is enough for dictor to GTFO from own bubble and evade some gunfire. Anything above that is asking for too much.
No im not fighting over jammers right now and i doubt ill be anytime soon, yet im seeing problems you are ignoring. And if they get ability to cyno thru covops portal you can believe me - they will be used in this way because its more... EFFICIENT?
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2009.05.21 22:36:00 -
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I have done enough of "cyno whole dread fleet to kestrel before it pops" to know its possible. Also cynoed whole BS/support fleets to kessy with same results. When i say its doable it IS doable. When i say it will be used for easy bubble traps it will be. Why? Because its E A S Y (or at least easier/more sure way of trapping hostile fleet).
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2009.05.22 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: DNSBLACK
deva,
iam not saying it isnt doable and iam not debating that nor am I arguing dictor tactics. You rabbled about jumping in 200km off ( dictor still has to warp in and drop bubble????) then firing bubble on fleet then DD. The entir senerio made no sense. If they were using a titan in this case then why wouldnt they use a regular cyno and bridge. When you are on grib both cynos appear so no sneaky tactics.
I think you dont understand this:
1. cyno jammed system, titans anywhere in system. To efficiently kill enemy you need to bubble him
2. to bubble enemy you need dictor. Currently ONLY way of getting dictor on enemy is warping it on their heads or MWDing it along the grid. Number 2 = dictor should die to support. Number 1 = aligned fleet warps before bubble is opened (as soon as they see dictor on them). Time to react is about 5 seconds (thats more-less the time you see dictor on grid before it stops the warp and can launch bubble)
2a. allowing dictors to cyno to recon cynos means: you get covops on enemy fleet (be it 5km from fleet, its not hard). Then you open cyno, bridge dictors, start bubbling. It is much faster than warping dictor to enemy fleet and you have mych less chance of reacting to it. With good operators it takes around 2-3 seconds. you can spam bubble button before you load grid, half of the time it will work.
Thats why recon cyno > normal cyno. You can do cyno traps inside your own jammed system that has already titans inside. Another point: enemy never knows if/how many dictors you have and if he is planning to WTFPWN your caps/supercaps.
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My arazu only has 3 points on it and we lose alot of ships cause they just warp out. I was just looking for a way to use dictors in BO gangs that is all. deva if you like to jion us on some BO hot drops and see how it could be used let me know in game would love to bring you along.
I know how they can be used. its not like i havent seen BE drop blackops on us (hi SATAN!). Nor it doesnt differ too much from regular carrier hotdrop/titan portal (except you can do this in jammed system wheras titan cant).
If ya want to talk more bout dictors just convo/mail me in game.
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